Commons:Deletion requests/Uploads in 2006 by en:User:Bundeena2230

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Uploads in 2006 by en:User:Bundeena2230

• File:LMS Garratt 498x.jpg
• File:LMS Garratt 4977 02.jpg
• File:LMS Garratt 4977 01.jpg (1948 or before)

No source or date specified. User released under the claim "I purchased this image for my personal collection" which does not convey copyright. User had similar images deleted on Wikipedia in 2006, but this one appears to have been missed.

Some of these may be {{PD-old}} or {{PD-UK}} but an internet search for comparable images comes up with photographs from the 1960s. For reference: {{PD-UK-Unknown}} indicates a life of 70 years after photograph was taken. - Bastique ^{☎ appelez-moi!} 16:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

 Delete. The information in en:LMS Garratt is helpful in establishing context - assuming that the photo hasn't been grossly misidentified, it's of a locomotive which was used in the UK, and which was scrapped no later than 1958. Unfortunately, that's just barely within the 70-year boundary for {{PD-UK}}. Undelete in 2029. Omphalographer (talk) 23:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Note "LMS Garratt 4977 01", at least, has the loco in pre-nationalisation livery, so is before 1948. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

•  Delete all three. The OP claims that "I purchased this image for my personal collection". Selling implies publication, so none of the prongs of {{PD-UK-Unknown}} apply for the first two. For me, the OP might reasonably know the photographer's identity, so reasonable inquiry has not been exhausted (PMA 70 territory for all three). In any event, as I understand it, the photographs must satisfy both UK and US copyright law. When were the photographs published? Presumably shortly after the images were taken (worst case when OP bought them). The US term is 95 years after publication (Hirtle chart foreign pub before 1977), so undelete in 2053. The struck-out request would have been in copyright on the URAA date, so although it is PD UK today, it will not be PD US until 2043. Glrx (talk) 17:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
  • {{PD-UK-unknown}} is rather likely (near certain) to apply to all three. But then, so is {{Not-PD-US-URAA}}. If they were available for purchase, they were published then or before (and probably long before). One has a very bright number on the side, the struck out one, so is far more likely to have been during the early 1930s. The other two have faded numbers, so are from later, but most likely before the 1948 nationalization, so still quite likely PD-UK-unknown. Here is a photo of one after nationalization, where the digit "4" was prefixed to the old number, which is not present on any of these. So, all three seem to be from between 1930 and 1948, with the last one probably in 1930 or shortly thereafter. Carl Lindberg (talk) 20:17, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
•  Comment I'm a little ignorant of the status of British Railways status in 1948 when it was created -- was it a separate corporation, or was it all considered part of the British Transport Commission? That was dissolved in the 1960s, but UK copyright law was very aggressive about converting private copyrights into Crown Copyright in those days (only relaxed from 1989 onwards). If these were publications by the rail companies themselves, they may have eventually become Crown Copyright, which would mean they are PD in both the US and the UK. But I don't think we have enough information on their origin to really know that. Carl Lindberg (talk) 20:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)